. >> it could affect ukraine's energy source, you are quite dependent on russia for that. does it go back to the cold war difficulty of the sense of who is a satellite of who here? >> for the ukrainians, it's very important to get away from moscow, probably as far as they can. these demonstrations we saw today, the demonstrations in 2004 and 2005 are an indication of that. this ukrainians really want to already by their choices. they want to live in a free society, they want to live in europe. in. >> in a westernized democracy. >> in a westernized democracy. you live in a european society or the post-soviet economy. nothing injunctions. >> pavlo, the generational sense, is there a sense in chicago, is there any distinction, is it really just about the economics and the future or does this harken back in a sense in your community to having that feeling that look, we let moscow control things for a generation, now we want to move to the west, we want to be thought of in a western democratized way? >> well, unfortunately controlled by russia and moscow in particular, has been